RKO Keith's Richmond Hill Theatre

117-09 Hillside Avenue,
Richmond Hill, NY 11418

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Luis Vazquez
Luis Vazquez on November 30, 2007 at 3:54 pm

Oh No!!!! Jahn’s is closed??!!! I have great memories of the place. First the RKO Keiths, then The Triangle Hofbrau and now Jahns! I think I remember the sign on the marqee saying that it originally opened in 1896. I believe this was the last one remaining. At one time, I believe there were as many as 7 of them. I haven’t lived in the area in decades, but back in the 70’s, when I was in high school, this is where we came for Ice Cream. The Keith’s next door had already shut its doors for good. I remember going there after Senior Day (June 1977)at John Admas High School. On that day all seniors went to school and all classes dressed in costume (like Halloween). I wonder if that tradition still holds? Afterwards, many of us went to Jahn’s and ordered “The Kitchen Sink”. I could be wrong, but I think the price was $20 back in 1977. It was a really, really big bowl of Ice Cream with all kinds of fixins, but maybe $20 sounds like a lot. Does anyone else remember?

Panzer65
Panzer65 on November 30, 2007 at 12:51 pm

In case any one does not know, the famous ice cream parlor adjacent to the RKO Keith’s Richmond Hill, Jahn’s has closed. Such sad news, I went there so many times when I was in high school in the 80’s. Jahn’s was on my route home from school and I would always treat myself to their excellent ice cream and old fashioned atmosphere. The one thing I always marveled at was their player piano, which after inserting a coin would play classic music while I enjoyed my sundae. I understand the fixtures there were already auctioned off, at least they will be saved for future generations to enjoy. To my knowledge, the only ice cream parlor in the area is Eddie’s on Metropolitan Ave. Jahn’s will be sorely missed.

PKoch
PKoch on November 19, 2007 at 11:09 am

Thanks, Mortonman.

Mortonman
Mortonman on November 16, 2007 at 9:12 pm

The theatre used to feature a 3/13 Robert Morton Theatre Organ. It was on about 15" of wp. Most of it succumbed to either water damage (a tree had roots in the ceiling of the solo chamber) or to Midnight Organ Supply.

The console, blower, two ranks, and various regulators and trems were bought by Chaminade High School in Mineola. The console was restored and looks great. It is currently controlling 15 ranks of pipes.

PKoch
PKoch on October 17, 2007 at 12:12 pm

Thanks for all these details, Warren. Speaking of competition, what about that small theater on Jamaica Avenue at 113th Street some of us had discussed awhile ago ?

PKoch
PKoch on May 31, 2007 at 3:02 pm

Thanks, BklynJim.

Re : “Exorcist” : if that theater’s sound system did that for “Tubular Bells”, I can only imagine what it did for the bass of the demonic voice and other FX sound.

Like “Return Of The Jedi” at the State Lake in Chicago : when Jabba The Hutt spoke, the sound system made the floor shake.

BrooklynJim
BrooklynJim on May 31, 2007 at 1:43 pm

Both width and speed.

Compare the tinny sounds of a ‘70s K-Tel LP crammed to the max with 20-24 songs against the rich tones of a 12-song Cadence or Columbia LP from the late '50s. And that’s 33 RPM. Better still, compare “Don’t Be Cruel”/“Hound Dog” by Elvis on a 1956 78 against its RCA Greatest Hits LP counterpart. Not even close…

I can’t recall what theater I saw “The Exorcist” at in ‘73, but its sound system reproduced the chest-thumping bassline of Mike Oldham’s title theme far better than any Virgin record, tape or CD to date.

PKoch
PKoch on May 31, 2007 at 1:29 pm

Thanks, BklynJim, that’s great to know. I had no idea the 10 inch 78 rpm shellac discs were the best ever for bass : something to do with the width of the grooves, and the playing speed ?

I remember reading some pre-production techno-mumble once between Mick Jagger and Marhsall Chess about the 1971 Stones LP, “Sticky Fingers” : more than 20 minutes on a side, and you lose the [bass ?] level.

BrooklynJim
BrooklynJim on May 31, 2007 at 1:24 pm

I could be wrong, but 1953 is generally the year attributed to the debut of the 7" 45 RPM record.

Our 1949 RCA floor console cost the family a whopping $400! The red light at its base, to indicate the set was on, burned out more often than any tube in the chassis during its 12-year lifetime.

Peter, you’ve got a 4-speed gem there. The slowest speed (16-2/3) was geared for radio transcription discs. The old radio shows on these fragile glass-based records can still be purchased, but they are expensive. 78 was the fastest speed for the shellac 10" records. Best bass reproduction ever available – and that includes the modern CD – but drop ‘em once and they were history. (Its only equal for bass was the subwoofer installed in many theaters.) The 33-1/3 long-play albums became available several years after WWII, and the 45 in '53. Cassettes and CDs made them all obsolete.

In the early days, each inventor did it his own way. Thomas Edison created a player than ran at 75 RPM. A friend inherited one and still has the yellowed instruction booklet that came with it!

PKoch
PKoch on May 31, 2007 at 9:42 am

Thanks for the details, Warren.

What about 16 and 78 rpm discs ?

I’ve got a 4-speed phonograph in my garage which I’m not giving up for anything.

PKoch
PKoch on May 30, 2007 at 3:10 pm

Thanks, Warren. I would think TV had much to do with the closing of the smaller neighborhood movie theaters like the Wyckoff, Majestic and Parthenon, to name three in Ridgewood.

My family’s first TV was a cherry wood Motorola table model with, I think, a 16" diagonally measured screen. I’m not sure when my parents got it (it was there when I was born in November 1955) but it lasted until summer 1966, when we got our Sylvania console floor model TV (another “piece of furniture”).

That’s neat about the 45 rpm record changer which plugged into the TV’s speaker.

mikemorano
mikemorano on April 30, 2007 at 8:54 am

Fella’s the 1948 lawsuit was about price fixing. Perhap’s the combination of the lawsuit and the invention of television caused many theatre’s to close in the 1950’s. Unless tv’s were too expensive such as a VCR was in the 1970’s. In that case tv couldn’t be blamed for theatre’s closing.

AntonyRoma
AntonyRoma on April 29, 2007 at 10:10 am

Enter only the url, WITHOUT THE COMMA, in one of two ways,
Mischief???? Not I.

Shalom, ciao, and excelsior

AntonyRoma
AntonyRoma on April 29, 2007 at 9:56 am

Al,There were actually eight defendants. From the SC 1948 Ruling: The suit was instituted by the United States under 4 of the Sherman Act, 15 U.S.C.A. 4, to prevent and restrain violations of it. The defendants fall into three groups: (1) Paramount Pictures, Inc., Loew’s, Incorporated, Radio-Keith-Orpheum Corporation, Warner Bros. Pictures, Inc., Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corporation, which produce motion pictures, and their respective subsidiaries or affiliates which distribute and exhibit films. These are known as the five major defendants or exhibitor- defendants. (2) Columbia Pictures Corporation and Universal Corporation, which produce motion pictures, and their subsidiaries which distribute films. (3) United Artists Corporation, which is engaged only in the distribution of motion pictures. The five majors, through their subsidiaries or affiliates, own or control theatres; the other defendants do not.

Shalom, ciao, and excelsior

Al Alvarez
Al Alvarez on April 29, 2007 at 9:45 am

I always thought the ruling was officially only against Paramount with the others seeing the writing on the wall.

AntonyRoma
AntonyRoma on April 29, 2007 at 9:34 am

I should note that I generally put low confidence in Wikipedia by itself. Because of Warren’s comment, I found several sites that contain the actual decision, eg:
View link
(http://supreme.justia.com/us/334/131/case.html),
The decision clearly states that, The five majors, through their subsidiaries or affiliates, own or control theatres; the other defendants do not.

I suspect that Warren is confusing the 1948 decision which I cited with the 1962 Supreme Court Ruling against Loew’s. View link which involved Loew’s TV exhibition of feature movies.

Shalom, ciao, and excelsior

Al Alvarez
Al Alvarez on April 29, 2007 at 3:52 am

Tonino, you are correct in that the splitting of the studios from their theatres lead to the closing of many theatres in the fifties that had been artificially kept open by guaranteed product. The elimination of the theatres was a blessing in the disguise for the studios as it allowed them to minimise the losses of attendance caused by TV and drop B movies and double features made to feed the pipeline. This caused a product shortage. It also gave studios some ready cash with which to go into the TV business. It also allowed many independent exhibitors to open small theatres and compete for first run films with old palaces like the RKOs. A cinema like the Casino could hold a film for many weeks on low overhead.

I recall working in an 800 seat theatre in the summer of 1977 while a handful of customers watched A BRIDGE TO FAR while the 200 seater in the mall turned them away from STAR WARS.

Two other elements that hurt some theatres in the seventies were the elimination of product splitting and blind bidding. Theatres could no longer count on studio alignments and bids had to openly divulged AFTER the film was screened. Those studio alignments were back in evidence in Manhattan until well into the nineties as Cineplex Odeon still always played Universal product and Loews played Sony films, products from their parent companies. This was made possible by deregulation during the Reagan years.

When VCRs first became popular they actually helped theatres. People who had never seen the originals rushed the theatres for the sequels and eventually lead to the phenomenon whereby sequels could outgross the originals. VCRs and DVDs introduced stars to whole new generation who had never seen them at a cinema.

AntonyRoma
AntonyRoma on April 28, 2007 at 12:53 pm

I do not think VCRs played a role in closing movie theaters. Rather, they reduced movie attendance in the last 15 to 20 years long after movie theaters as we knew them were gone.

VCRs initially offered a way of copying older movies from TV in the 80s and 90s. Commercially recorded VCRs weren’t widely availble until the late 90s.

Shalom, ciao, and excelsior

AntonyRoma
AntonyRoma on April 28, 2007 at 12:09 pm

In checking movie demographics, I came across a surprising tidbit. According to Wikipedia,
<<Several movie studios achieved vertical integration by acquiring and constructing theatre chains. The so-called “Big Five” theatre chains of the 1920s and 1930s were all owned by studios: Paramount, Warner, Loews (owned by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer), Fox, and RKO. All were broken up as a result of the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling in the 1948 United States v. Paramount Pictures, Inc. anti-trust case.>>

I have always figured that TV was the main reason for the demise of movie theaters as we knew them. The advent of our changing society as manifest by the rise of the drive-in movie were nails in the coffin. I have to revise my thinking to include this anti-trust decision as a probable concurrent factor.

Shalom, ciao, and excelsior

AntonyRoma
AntonyRoma on April 28, 2007 at 11:50 am

Thanks for the informative input Warren. Did the article in fact include a more detailed description other than that it was a combination of the three styles? Maybe that’s why I referred to it as an attractive, but not opulent, venue in my earlier post. What an understatement. On reflection, “plain vanilla” it definitely was not.

I couldn’t turn up anything on William Rau. I was curious because of the apparent distinction between styles as in “architecture”, and styles as in “interior decoration”. Any comments as used in The LI Press' article as cited by Warren above?

Btw, your 4/24/07 post makes sense.

Shalom, ciao, and excelsior

Al Alvarez
Al Alvarez on April 27, 2007 at 1:19 pm

I don’t think think day and date showcasing affected Manhattan houses by the seventies as it had been going on since 1962. It did bring first-run to the neighborhoods quicker at the expense of the Times Square theatres. Big houses like this RKO may have been counting the days on their lease as they probably had not sold out in years. The question remains, did many Manhattan leases run out in 1971 or was grind porn THAT lucrative?

Among the missing:
ACADEMY OF MUSIC
GLOBE
RIVERSIDE
DELANCEY
SYMPHONY

HEIGHTS

Bway
Bway on April 27, 2007 at 1:13 pm

Even today, I don’t think “movie going” is a dying trend. People still enjoy going to a theater to watch a movie. Any time I ever go to see a movie, the multiplex is usually packed. Theaters are usually full. It is the multiplexing and the way movies are distributed that killed the old movie theaters. While the number of theaters of course has decreased exponentially, the number of sceens probably hasn’t. You just have 12+ screen mulitplexes doing the job now.

Al Alvarez
Al Alvarez on April 27, 2007 at 9:35 am

Remember that there was a serious product shortage in the late sixties-early seventies and that extended runs killed many subrun locations. Although many dollar houses eventually popped up in the suburbs in response, that was not an option in pricey New York and few theatres went into bargain pricing alternatives and survived.

There were two other theatres advertised as being in Richmond Hill in May 1968. A Casino and a Lefferts both advertised at the time. It would appear the Richmond Hill’s end came in mid-May with a double feature of IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT and THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING! THE RUSSIAN ARE COMING! shared with five other Queens runs. This was at a time when the Meadows and Lefrak demanded exclusive Queens runs. The RKO also seems to have been very much a “family” theatre at a time when wholesome product was failing at the box office. If it had held out a little longer may have been split up and stayed open for years.

After May 1968, I can find no other signs of it in the New York Times.

William
William on April 27, 2007 at 7:48 am

“VCR’s may have caused a similar problem in the 1970’s.” the problem with that statement is that the Sony Betamax decks only got released in around 1975-76. The cost of these decks were very high in price. It wasn’t till the end of the decade that the prices came really down to earth. So it would have to be another factor in why theatres closed in the 1970’s.

mikemorano
mikemorano on April 27, 2007 at 7:23 am

The statistics imply that many theatre’s closed in the 1950’s and again in the 1970’s. Perhap’s television was the main culprit of theatre closing’s in the 1950’s. VCR’s may have caused a similar problem in the 1970’s. Why did the RKO Keith’s Richmond Hill theatre close in the 1960’s if it survived television and was the only theatre in the area.