Pacific 1-2-3

6433 Hollywood Boulevard,
Los Angeles, CA 90028

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William
William on May 4, 2005 at 3:23 pm

The Pacific is still leased to Entertainment Technology Center as a Digital Projection testing theatre.

kateymac01
kateymac01 on May 4, 2005 at 2:01 pm

So what’s the latest with the Pacific? I was just in Hollywood and scoping out the old theaters and missed this one somehow.

johnmontgomery
johnmontgomery on May 4, 2005 at 10:55 am

I saw both HOW THE WEST WAS WON and 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY here in their original roadshow engagement. I had a special connection to the film, as my junior high school English teacher, Clara Smith, was the mother of the choral director for the film. Clara taught at Lincoln Junior High in Santa Monica and talked endlessly about her son’s accomplishments, which included playing Jesus at an annual production of the Last Supper or something like that held at a local theater. Her son, Academy Award winner Ken Darby, was a long-time collaborator and friend of the renowned composer Alfred Newman, and produced and directed the choral arrangements for THE ROBE, THE EGYPTIAN (I think, which was co-scored by Bernard Hermann), and THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD. Much of the fine choral arrangements and folk songs in HTWWW were the work of Darby, and Darby conducted and wrote much of the original music for the film in conjunction with Newman. Indeed, Darby had more to do with the score than Newman himself, who wrote only limited original themes.

Although I never met Ken Darby, his ghost in a sense has dogged me the rest of my life.

In any event, after recently viewing photographs of the interior of the Warner Hollywood I was struck with an instant flood of memories about the day I saw the show. I remember the exterior and interior of the theater, but not the lobby, although I vaguely recollect buying popcorn there. I believe I sat in the second or third row just left of center as you face the screen—a practice I repeated when I saw IT’S A MAD MAD MAD MAD WORLD and THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD at the Cinerama dome. This allowed for maximum stereo effect and for the giant curved screen to wrap almost as far around the viewer as the corner of their vision. This effect diminishes as you sit farther back in the theater, and when you reach the back seats the cinerama effect is nearly insignificant. At least that’s what I thought when I was 11!

Cinerama
Cinerama on April 11, 2005 at 12:20 pm

It’s all very simple. If you go back to the page on my web site – http://cinerama.topcities.com/warner.htm, to the right of “3-strip dates”, it says that 3-strip (requiring three projectors) Cinerama films were shown from 04/29/53 to 10/09/61. From 10/20/61 till 8/7/62, no Cinerama films (only one projector needed to show 70mm or 35mm films) were shown at the theatre so, they changed the name on the marquee back to Warner. From 8/7/62 till 12/17/64 they again showed 3-strip Cinerama films. So, they changed the name back to Cinerama. The marquee still had the name Cinerama on it when Clockwork Orange played there in 1974 – http://alexdlg.tripod.com/aco/press11-01.jpg

stevebob
stevebob on March 25, 2005 at 6:09 am

That is a great point, Manwithnoname!

I was fascinated by the marquee’s alternation between WARNER and CINERAMA. I hadn’t even realized that there was also a change from WARNERS to WARNER at some point.

In the 1961 “Back Street” picture at View link it’s WARNER. Back in the 1940s http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater1/00014800.jpg it was WARNERS.

However, while this change was made on the marquee and the vertical (notice how on the 1961 vertical there’s clearly a space that the final S formerly occupied), the radio towers on top of the building continued to say WARNERS.

And with respect to the Warner Bros. Downtown, didn’t its blades say WARNERS right up to the time it was taken over by Metropolitan? I’m guessing that is so because afterward the letters were rearranged to spell WARRENS rather than WARREN.

I guess it’s proof that I’m a true movie palace geek that I should be interested in such arcane details. But, obviously, the change from Warners to Warner on the Hollywood theater was intentional. It would be very interesting to know the reason behind it. Did the houses in Beverly Hills, San Pedro, Huntington Park or elsewhere nationwide change in the same way?

clvee
clvee on March 17, 2005 at 6:38 am

I was living in Hollywood when the Warner’s theater was showing “This is Cinerama' for the years 1953/56. After 56 or 57 they
started showing other pictures. Correct me.

trooperboots
trooperboots on March 5, 2005 at 1:56 pm

Hi William and sonke … Here is a photo of the marquee of the “Egyptian Theater” just down the block in 1955. As you can see, the movie “Oklahoma” was the feature, and, as William says, the film title is in NEON and looks almost permanent. Since this was expensive to do, it was reserved for features the studios and theaters thought were monumental and would play at the theater for a while.

http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater1/00014528.jpg

In the new film “The Aviator”, there is a scene at the 1929 premier of “Hells Angels” and there are huge neon signs of the film title on the 2 sides at the entrance of Graumans Chinese. This is not fiction. There truly were huge signs made and installed just as shown at the entrance of the forecourt (By the way, the film “Hells Angels” is amazing for it’s time and is well worth a look). Here is a photo of those signs…

http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater1/00014682.jpg

William
William on March 2, 2005 at 3:59 pm

During that time in Los Angeles and NYC and other major markets. The studios would put special displays at the first run theatres. during this time theatres would use a lot of neon signage. Like the Pacific’s marquees for “Bros. Grimm” and when Cinerama was on the towers above the theatre, one side said Warner and the other said Cinerama. Over at the Pantages the verical blade sign would have neon tubing saying the name of the feature that was playing. This type of advertising could be seen down Hollywood Blvd. for blocks. Some of the area theatres would also have a special neon tubing noticing that a preview was taking place that night on the vertical blade sign. Before the Egyptian Theatre remodeled the front 1950’s front of the house. They used that for advertising the film playing, “Oklahoma” used neon for their signage and “The Poseidon Adventure” had the poster artwork painted on it. Those neon Cinerama letter were in storage on the stage of the theatre. When I worked there in the 90’s.

bug
bug on March 1, 2005 at 4:54 am

Nice picture. Is it possible that they put whole new marquees on the sides? On the Back Street picture there is standard black lettering on a backlit white panel, but the Grimm marquee seems to have red neon letters and the horizontal stripes that usually hold letters (as can be seen on the 1943 picture and at the top of this page) are gone. That’ll also explain my doubts about (not) inconsistent “Cinerama” and “Holiday” signs.

PS: New street lights on Hollywood Blvd every decade :)

stevebob
stevebob on February 28, 2005 at 6:21 pm

Found it! Here’s the postcard that shows “The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm” at the Warner Cinerama:

http://cinerama.topcities.com/warner.htm

William
William on February 28, 2005 at 10:45 am

Well during that time the Warner Hollywood Theatre was part of the Stanley Warner Management Corporation chain. But it was listed under their Stanley Warner Cinerama Corporation. So those were part of the original theatres that the Stanley Warner chain converted to Cinerama under the original deal. So the Warner Hollywood Thetare was the Warner Cinerama. In 1963, Pacific Theatres opened the Cinerama Dome. So at that time there was two Cinerama equipped theatres in Los Angeles, not including the Forum Theatre. That Cinerama lettering on the marquee was still up in 1971. At that time the verical blade sign said Pacific.

bug
bug on February 28, 2005 at 4:50 am

I digged up some more pictures at the LA Public Library (with some nice b/w of the interiour BTW: go to [url]http://lapl.org[/url], select the photo catalog and search for “hollywood warner theatre”) and while noticing on [url]http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater1/00014800.jpg[/url] that the “Studio Mens Shop” of 1943, right of the entrance, turned into the “Motherhood Maternity Shop” in 1961 (what a change..;), I also noticed that the top of the white marquees left/right is above the shop signs. “Holiday” ends clearly below these signs, so you’re right, it’s on the marquee.

Nevertheless, the whole point was that this is one sign just for this movie. The letters not only are just too similar, it’s “Cinerama Holiday”, one title, not something reading like “Presented in Cinerama:”, the movie “Holiday”, so they actually should look the same, making this one sign.
Because of this I came up with a flat wooden board (which may of course very well have neons or bulbs on it) placed in front of Warner and marquee (not instead of) to get both words on the same level with the same light – looks nice and no hazzle with dis-/mounting the Warner sign. (Am I talking like a marquee designer? Sorry :)

In short: It’s not alternating between WARNER and CINERAMA, it’s between WARNER and part of a Cinerama movie title announced big style. And the letters Warner are still there, they’re just hidden by the Cinerama movie title sign.

What did it look like on the postcard you mentioned (and how did they get that title The Wonderfull..Grimm title on the marquee anyway?:), could you post that one?

stevebob
stevebob on February 27, 2005 at 3:40 pm

Soenke, you are incorrect in your supposition that “wood letters” spelling Cinerama Holiday were placed over the Warner sign, and that they fit into that same space that “WARNER” otherwise occupied.

The letters that spelled CINERAMA were lighted, and were in the same exact position as the letters that spelled WARNER and that currently spell PACIFIC. In the Cinerama Holiday picture, the word “Holiday” is on the marquee proper, NOT above the marquee.

bug
bug on February 25, 2005 at 5:01 am

re stevebob: Looking closely it’s visible that the “Cinerama Holiday” has the size of the “Warner” label (compare the bottom line of Holiday and Warner with the top line of the white front marquee on both of the photos you mentioned). So I’d say they didn’t replace Warner with Cinerama, they simply put a wood sign announcing the movie Cinerama Holiday (and not the system Cinerama) over the Warner letters. After all, you can’t announce Cinerama if not playing Cinerama movies.

I’m anything but an expert on Cinerama history, but looking at the mere 10 movies listed by the IMDb with the same film format (http://imdb.com/SearchTechnical?PFM:3%20x%2035%20mm%09(6%20perf.%20per%20frame) ), it’s no surprise to me that they had other movies, too. If I got that right, the freshest Cinerama release in 1961 would have been South Seas Adventure from 1958..

Joe Vogel
Joe Vogel on February 16, 2005 at 7:10 am

re stevebob’s observation: That is odd, and I hadn’t noticed it. But the Susan Hayward remake of “Back Street” did indeed come out in 1961, and the cars in the photo are certainly of that era. I visited Hollywood Boulevard a few times in those days, but never noticed the change in the Warner’s marquee. Maybe they had some sort of modular system, to make the changeout easier.

stevebob
stevebob on February 16, 2005 at 5:56 am

The picture in the link posted by Christian two messages back is great. (Also, the vertical of the Iris Theater is visible a block down on the opposite side of Hollywood Boulevard from the Warner.)

One thing surprises me, though. This shot is from 1961, which would have been during the Cinerama era at the Warner. I hadn’t realized that “regular” movies were programmed in between runs of Cinerama films, and I would never have guessed that the neon letters on top of the marquee actually alternated between WARNER and CINERAMA to reflect this!

For example, Christian’s post on Jan 2, 2005 at 6:44pm shows the marquee in 1956. Cinerama Holiday was playing; the marquee says CINERAMA. And I’ve seen a postcard, presumably from 1962, when “The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm” was playing. Again, the marquee says CINERAMA. Yet as the 1961 photo confirms, the marquee was reverted back to WARNER for Back Street.

Does anyone know more about the booking history of the Warner during this period?

trooperboots
trooperboots on January 31, 2005 at 12:16 am

I found a great photo of this theater in 1961 when it was the site of the premier of BACK STREET with Susan Hayward, John Gavin and Vera Miles.

View link

reluctantpopstar
reluctantpopstar on January 21, 2005 at 8:12 pm

Los Angeles is overrun with closed movie palaces; thankfully many of them have not been demolished. Probably the only way to get many of them operating again is either to have them run by a non-profit organziation, in the mold of the American Cinematheque, or converting them to host legitimate theatre productions, which generally take in a lot more money than film screenings ever do (except for the latest Star Wars installment possibly…) So, how about it? Someone step up to the plate and get an NPO together…

trooperboots
trooperboots on January 14, 2005 at 6:21 pm

Right pmiller! I saw the Lion King a couple of years ago at the Pantages and it was quite spectacular and the theater was packed the night I was there. There were many “ooohs and ahhs” by the hundreds of children in the theater during intermission, as well. I think the Pacific, with it’s size, history, and proportion, seems like one of the few spectacular sized venues left for musicals or live performances in the area. I sure hope we get a benefactor to rescue it!

As far as what is left in Hollywood, please let’s not forget the newly aquired live stage theater… the “Ricardo Montalban” (old Huntington Hartford) on Vine Street, which has dedicated it’s future to the presentation of live theater by the group “Nosotros”, which is specifically designed to present productions by and/or with Latin American actors, directors and performers. They have somewhat completed the facade restoration so the theater looks more like it’s Beaux Arts roots of 1926 and the interior is presently being worked on to match. I am doing some historic research for the management on my own and have written the story of that theater at the following link. I continue to discover new details every week.

/theaters/9863/

paulm248
paulm248 on January 14, 2005 at 2:42 pm

This is all hypothetical but the L.A. Conservancy may well require the return of the theater to a full live stage with orchestra pit, etc., which moves the venue to something other than a strictly cinema theater. A performing stage has to look to different kinds of bookings and the success of the Pantages, for example, was predicated on shows like “The Lion King” to justify a major restoration. The Pantages is 4 blocks away. What comparable stage events or shows, can compete and draw audiences that aren’t being served right now.

On the other hand Arclight has 14 movie screens, the Chinese has 7, the El Capitan has one, and the Egyptian has 2 – all with a few blocks of here. There are additionally several other closed-up movie houses on the Boulevard. So movie screens are pretty saturated in this neighborhood.

That’s why I doubt the return on investment looks very attractive to potential buyers of the building. With Pantages so close, and Hollywood and Highland’s Kodak Theater a stone’s throw in the other direction, and the other movie screens nearby, what new shows will draw a crowd?

The Red Car doesn’t run here anymore, the subway is 4-7 blocks away in either direction, and everyone drives in L.A. Hence the parking problem.

What this town needs is another Paul Allen with a big heart for “theater” and “deep pockets” for changing and rebuilding. Until someone like that comes along, I’m afraid this place. will still be “the treasure that once laid within”.

paulm248
paulm248 on January 14, 2005 at 2:12 pm

To Christian:

I’m pretty sure that the “KEYS” from the “Andromeda Strain” premier in 1971 went home with the ticket people and the ushers.

trooperboots
trooperboots on January 14, 2005 at 1:59 pm

pmiller…. thanks for the insight. When these great theaters were built, we did not have television and these showplaces were a central feature to entertain the masses. In my opinion, we also had better mass transit in Hollywood. My mom did not have a car, but we were able to get everywhere on the red car line and streetcars. It was relatively safe and fun. When we went out, we always hired a nice taxicab. That was the way to go. Today we have huge home entertainment systems and classic films have become part of our domestic life as never before. So now I wonder what we can show in the great theaters that will bring the crowds back? Many of the cinemas that are still intact theaters have become cultural art centers, symphony halls, opera houses, churches and live stage venues. What other uses can we give them to save them? Your point that they have a practical use is quite valid.

paulm248
paulm248 on January 14, 2005 at 12:03 pm

My comment about the parking structure was based on a couple of issues and assumptions.

First: There is a parking lot directly behind the building which could accommodate maybe seventy cars if they had no other business. At best during a normal day there would be perhaps 10-20 spaces available should the theater fully reopen. And on Tuesday through Saturday evenings, that same lot is packed and, in fact, also uses a valet service to handle all the cars for a night club that adjoins the property. There is also a small lot directly across the street which holds even fewer cars that will ultimately be made into a private lot for an apartment building that is being restored.

Second: Yes, I’d assume Hollywood/L.A. government would require additional parking spaces be made available on this same block for a project of this magnitude. I’m further assuming that the “grandfathered” parking requirements from the original 1928 construction will be looked at with a fresh eye.

Third: I’m sure ADA access requirements will make some kind of parking structure pretty much a requirement to permit obstacle-free access.

There are, in fact, several moderately sized lots within a 4-6 block radius. If you assume that the reopened Pacific would have 2500 seats, and 2.5 people per car travel here, that’s still another 1000 cars coming to Hollywood that haven’t done so in the not-so-distant past. When the Hollywood and Highland complex got rebuilt which includes the Chinese theater, parking was included; when the Cinerama Dome was rebuilt and turned into the Arclight Complex a parking structure replaced a large piece of flat land.

I just don’t think that whoever takes this place over and brings it up to contemporary standards can get away without doing something about the parking.

trooperboots
trooperboots on January 13, 2005 at 6:13 pm

Sorry, that last comment was intended for pmiller.