Radio City Music Hall

1260 6th Avenue,
New York, NY 10020

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Vito
Vito on November 13, 2006 at 2:17 am

Just to be sure everyone knows, the quiz show Jeopardy, which was taped taped last month at RCMH, is now being shown thru 11/19 on ABC.

veyoung52
veyoung52 on November 13, 2006 at 12:00 am

Tues 12/19/39 Astor (all seats reserved, twice daily) and Capitol (no reserved seats, 3 shows daily)

GAVINM
GAVINM on November 12, 2006 at 9:42 pm

Can anyone tell me whether Gone With The Wind had its New York premier at the Radio City? I thought I heard something about that

RobertR
RobertR on November 5, 2006 at 4:30 pm

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Vito
Vito on October 26, 2006 at 7:32 am

Thanks Jay, I kinda thought I was not imaging things, I enjoyed reading you tell the whole communications story. :)
Oh yes, you are quite right “those were the days”. Indead!

RobertEndres
RobertEndres on October 26, 2006 at 6:48 am

Jay, The Warren you’re referring to is Warren Jenkins, who is the man who actually arranged for me to come to the Hall as Head Projectionist from Illinois. He, Greg Raffa,the Music Contractor at the Hall, and John Jackson, the Vice-President in charge of Production started Plaza Sound in what was the broadcast studio where Roxy’s broadcasts were to originate. Greg actually owned the business, which made use of the studio space (complete with two manual Wurlitzer) that was being unused much of the time. Warren was also involved as the technical resource for Cine-Mix, a film re-recording studio that took over the two screening rooms. Cine-Mix became so successful that they had moved out to larger quarters just about the time I came to the Hall in ‘74. Plaza continued in existence until the new management took over in '79, and recorded the music used in the Thanksgiving Day Parade broadcasts and the group Blondie among others. I haven’t seen or heard from Warren for several years now. I did a presentation for the Society of Motion-Picture and Television Engineers about the Hall and sent Warren a copy of my remarks to check for accuracy. He then actually showed up for the presentation. He also ran Raven Laboratories which made automation equipment for National Theatre Supply where he also served as a technical advisor.

Jay Franklin Mould
Jay Franklin Mould on October 26, 2006 at 6:14 am

Your right, some of us had a louder or softer “cluck” then others, but we always looked in the direction it was coming from as it could be one of your equals or one of the front of the house management or higher management. It was understood that all Music Hall employees knew that was the way the Service Staff communicated. After the party had our attention a number of established hand signals were given either asking a question, such as “check” – people sitting down or empty seats in your area, which Aisle were you filling now, or maybe open or close a door. Also a number of had signals had been established to the effect that managment wanted a line to move or a few hundred were headed in your direction NOW. Ah yes, those were the days…. I was reading most of the entries yesterday, and I noticed a number of them signed by “Warren” I knew a Warren who worked at The Hall. Actually he was a department head at time “Sound” and also I worked for him after a day shift downstairs at the front of the house, at Plaza Sound. This was a recording studio on the top floor of The Hall. I wonder if this Warren is one and the same? Thanksgiving will be here soon and that reminds me of the times some of us on the Service Staff marched in the Parade a few times I marched in 1961 and 1962.

Vito
Vito on October 26, 2006 at 4:47 am

Jay, what fond memories you have, I was one of those people who from the late 50s untill about 1972 never missed a Thursday opening.
I seem to recall the ushers had a unique mwthod of calling attention to one another by making a cluck sound, was I crazy or did you guys actually get one anothers attention that way?
Vincent same question

Jay Franklin Mould
Jay Franklin Mould on October 25, 2006 at 1:32 pm

I worked at Radio City Music Hall also. It was my first job out of high school. I was there for two, three year periods. First was July 1961 to May 1964. My second period was May 1967 to January 1970. I started as an evening usher for $1.00 a hour, and switched to days when management found out I was able to work days. I worked my way up to being one of the twelve assistant managers at the front of the house. I was usually upstairs in charge many a weekday matinee and evening shift. I will never forget The Hall and all the regular patrons,who had a 10 show subscription of tickets and all the opening matinees with top management coming down to view the first couple of days of a new show. I remember many a Opening Night as the time was getting close to the start of the Last Overture we would expect Mr. and Mrs. Gustave Eyssell (The Chairman Of the Board) to come down after having dinner for The Studio Apartment, on the upper floors, and see the show with other noted guests in attendance. I have met many a star, diplomats of The United Nations, and heads of State, and the New York State Officials and a few from Washington. All on the job.. Oh the memories. Jay F. Mould Just now RETIRED….Anybody remember me?

Ed Solero
Ed Solero on October 11, 2006 at 7:28 am

Thanks, Bob. It sure sounds like it!

Man, would I love another WB festival at the Hall! Every once in a while, it would be nice for the Hall to remind everyone that the theater was built as a stage and MOVIE showplace. Not to mention how it could put to shame the automated megaplex exhibition that now passes for “presentation” in today’s cinema.

RobertEndres
RobertEndres on October 11, 2006 at 4:14 am

DavidM, Another instance where we openend the masking to applause was going into the triptych sequence of “Napoleon”. We also did it on another occassion during the Warner series. By that time the traveller had long been removed to make way for a piece of scenery hanging in that space during our live presentation of “Snow White”. It was never put back, and to lower the contour and take it out would take almost 30 seconds in each direction, so it was no longer practical, and as you mentioned, seeing the masking move from 1.37 to Scope or 70mm size is fun. I think it was either “Blade Runner” or “Jaws” which was preceded by a “flat” short with the masking in. At the changeover, the Warner shield was contained in the flat frame, and then the masking opened out to full scope size while the logo was still on. It was actually pretty neat.

EdSolero, I am in a screening room that is owned by a company which makes technical equipment for a wide range of entertainment companies from production to exhibition and digital HD. It shall be nameless here to protect my editorial independence, but it is the only company that I would leave Radio City for. We had a long relationship together starting with my first year at Radio City, and I met the Vice President of the N. Y. office back when he was a projectionist at the Ziegfeld when I started doing relief work there, and convinced him to work with me at Radio City as needed. Similarly, the Director of Engineering Operations here worked at the South Street Seaport and the New York Experience when I was there, and he also joined me at Radio City. He had started as a projectionist in Pennsylvania and had toured internationally as head electrician with the Dance Theatre of Harlem when he was still in his 20’s. This room was built as a technical resource for our engineers and clients with no idea of renting it out, but because of the theatrical backgrounds of the three of us it mirrors what we learned from Radio City and the Ziegfeld in terms of presentation. I came here a couple of years after the room was finished to help out with a couple of things while Radio City was closed for the renovation, and ended up staying. When the head prodcution stage manager at Radio City came over to see me and a demo while the Hall was closed he said, “Wow! You’re your own stage manager.” Because of the nature of our business, we do have 35 and 70mm capability as well as Dolby, DTS and SDDS and now 2k Digital Cinema projection (the projector is an NEC, the same as the Ziegfeld’s with a smaller lamp), and digital tape capability. We do press and industry screenings now, but that’s not the main thrust of the company. And yes — I do think we put on a better show than your average neighborhood multiplex!

DavidM
DavidM on October 10, 2006 at 6:30 pm

Bob:

Although I tend to agree with yours and Vito’s comments about masking and curtains, I do remember one instance of your opening the masking during a film. It was 1996, during the Warner Bros. Film Festival. The cartoon, “What’s Opera, Doc?” had just ended and you went right into “My Fair Lady”. The opening shot of flowers was on screen and the first notes of the Overture played as you opened the masking for a 70MM presentation. It was perfect and got a big round of applause from the audience.

Ed Solero
Ed Solero on October 10, 2006 at 3:10 pm

Rob… Where is it that you currently practice your art? Are these press or industry screenings? If so, sounds like they get a better show then the paying public!!!

RobertEndres
RobertEndres on October 10, 2006 at 10:14 am

I agree, but I can remember when someone wanted to start their premiere at the Hall with the curtain up. Fortunately our public relations person said, “No!” Alas, with everyone running ads before the trailers even start these days no one has a clue about presenting a show. We cued pre-feature material at the Hall, so the operator on the outgoing projector could cue the stage to close in the traveller at the right time. (We also didn’t use the projector changeovers going between short subjects and trailers and the feature. We would fade the outgoing projector out with the lamp douser, and fade in the incoming projector with the start of the feature with the douser also. The changeovers were only used in the body of the feature.) Fortunately the room I’m in now has both a main curtain and a title curtain, along with gold, red and blue foots. I take the room lighting to half and the foots from red and gold to blue and red as I roll the picture, and then when I hit the changeover after the 2 point, start the lights down to show and the title scrim opening on the company logo. I’ve only had a couple of requests to start the curtain opening earlier, and if I do I take the lights to show first so that the screen isn’t visible. I do the reverse at the end of the show during the end logos and legalese. The only serious complaint I had was from an editor on Scorcese’s “Gangs”. It was an interlock screening with no credits, just a freeze of the title. The editor said I closed in too soon, but I kind of figured after watching the whole film, the audience kind of knew the title of what they were watching and it was classier to have the scrim close over it!

Vito
Vito on October 10, 2006 at 9:34 am

CinemaSightlines, I am total agreement with you. Rob will be able to tell us the process that enabled RCMH folks to perfectly time both the opening and closing of the travelor and waterfall curtain in perfect sync with the start and end of the movie.
No blank screen ever!
As a matter of fact, in the early days of CinemScope we would always close the curtain between flat and scope shows as not to let the audience see the masking opening, exposing a partical white sheet.
We never had any problems with the studios in those days. If a studio exec attended a technical rehersal (dry run) of a big movie, and made a lot of dumb suggestions, we would just yes them to death and then after they left we would do it right.
Of course in todays theatres, few have curtains, but when you do,
NO WHITE SHEET EVER!!

exit
exit on October 10, 2006 at 9:03 am

My last post had a typo, I meant to say the El Cap’s stage is NOW fully usable… They did some lighting resets alright, including the opening curtain and light show which is automated… that was much better when Joe Musil first did it in the beginning. Now they put a very distracting blue wash on the side walls that stays on during trailers. And after that curtain show, with three curtains, and all that showmanship, they still open the last curtain on a blank screen… If the studio is touchy about runnning any of their stuff on an opening traveler they could use the cloud projections that come on the screen at the end of the show. Robert: I know todays theatre staffers have no clue about this, please tell us just how big a no-no showing a blank screen was…

RobertEndres
RobertEndres on October 10, 2006 at 5:26 am

I’m a big fan of the El Cap too. I was in it not long after the renovation, and was backstage before the THX wall was removed. At that time the stagehouse was cleaned and painted, but had no grid. Ken Billington, who designed the lighting for a number of shows at Radio City, told me he had been out there to do some lighting design about the time they installed the organ.

When we did “The Lion King” at Radio City, Disney was trying to do the same stage show at the El Cap, and their tech person got a call in our booth telling him that during the “Aladdin” sequence, the computer missed a cue, and the flying carpet took off leaving Aladdin and his girl stranded! We kind of took that as a victory at the Hall where we had real live stagehands doing the cues. (I was also reminded of the tenor in a Wagner opera who was to exit in a swan boat. As he moved toward the boat, it took off across stage without him, and he was heard to ask in a loud aside, “What time does the next swan leave?”)

Vito, I must have used the generator at the St. George to run the FR10, as I don’t think it had a rectifier supply. I could only get one of the two going for the show, but as all FR10’s do, it looked great. And yes, after running down to the auditorium to look at it from the orchestra, I did RUN back up to the booth so I could get there before the end of the number. If I did that now either at the St. George or the Hall I’d probably go into cardiac arrest!

exit
exit on October 10, 2006 at 3:31 am

As an avid devotee of the El Capitan, I wouldn’t say they actually demolished the stage house, they just removed the screen and the permanent THX approved sound wall behind it, in favor of a fly-out screen. The existing stage house is not fully useable. And to stay on topic, one of the first things I remember about the ElCap is that it was really trying to be like Radio City. They had recorded organ music even before the live organ was installed.

Speaking of the Music Hall, does anyone know where I could buy a copy of Radio City Music Hall: a Legend is Reborn? I’ve ordered the other book already. I hope there are lots of pictures. It’s a pleasure to hear from so many seasoned vererans of showmanship in this forum. You gentlemen are real Cinema Treasures yourselves, an invaluable resource. Robert, anything you care to tell us about the place is more than welcome here. Was there ever a documentary of the hall produced?

Vito
Vito on October 10, 2006 at 3:19 am

REndres, I wish we had known one another back in the day, we would have made a great team.
Speaking of the St.George, as you know shortly after the time you wrote about the theatre it closed for many years, a couple of years ago I was approached to help in the restoration and re-opening. My primary job was to get the booth up and running again, the spot light is still there but some parts had been taken out and it needed work. A few other things were sabotaged, like the amplifiers had missing parts, and someone had cut the take up belts on the projectors, silly childish stuff. I figured out where the power came from with all those knife switches and breakers all over the booth and it was a great deal of fun bringing life back into the place. I wish you had been there, I could have used your ideas and help fiquering out where evrything was, I used the rectifiers, did you use those or the generator? It looked to me that generator had not been used in a very long time.
I dropped the screen and found the cable coming from the booth for the speaker connection and I was able to run film on the two Century projectors. I also found an old Brenkert projector in the backroom and wondered if that was part of the original booth, we had Brenkerts at the Paramount and Ritz. I had to laugh when you spoke of running down to the stage from the booth, that’s quite a run! I used to get all out of breath just climbing to the top of the balcony and then up those stairs to the booth, I can’t imagine running. We would hold meetings sitting at a table on the stage, and I would open all of the fire shutters in the booth and turn on the lights, so from the stage you could see all three projection ports as well as the spot port from the stage, I just liked looking up at that.
I am no longer involved in the theatre, but it is running successfully. It is a very functional stage with a great red curtain (rag) that although it functions in an up and down fashion it used to be able to open as a traveler as well. I hope that some day we can run classic films there along with a stage show.

RobertEndres
RobertEndres on October 9, 2006 at 10:19 am

Vito, the RCMH shows were a blast, particularly since we used a lot of film effects in the shows. Theatres like the Chicago did “star turns” with featured bands and performers, while Radio City did a more spectacular (hopefully) show which had more variety. I may be one of the last projectionists around who ran film and spot for two film/live show presentations in two different theatres on the same day. I had gotten involved trying to help out at the St. George on Staten Island when the people operating it were trying to do live shows as well as movies. Thus they booked “Lady Sings the Blues” and “Mahogany” on screen, and the groups Brooklyn Bridge and Corporation LTD on stage. I got one of the H & C spots to work, and brought some parts and gels over from Radio City. I started the day at Radio City doing our film and stage show, then after my shift hopped the Staten Island ferry and ran one of the two films at the St. George, and operated the spot for the stage presentation. At one point I flooded the whole stage, locked the spot off, and ran all the way down to the orchestra from the booth so I could look back up and see the spot beam coming down just as it did when the St. George ran stage shows with every movie. We have an image of the stage shows in those days being like Busby Berkley movies, but in reality, Radio City was one of the very few places that could actually do that sort of thing. I remember being in the Jefferson on 14th St. after it had closed. They had run Spanish stage shows with movies, and when I stood on stage I realized how small those stages (and shows) must have been. Even the stage at the Chicago was relatively shallow as I remember — deep enough to hold a band car and a star performer, but not a lot deeper. I was also in the El Capitan after Disney refurbished it, and the stage house there was also relatively shallow, but since then they have demolished it and built a larger stage house for the shows they’re doing now. Of course all of those perceptions are based on my familiarity with the Radio City stage, which after a few years just became the “norm” for size in my mind. Looking back, I consider myself really lucky to have been around for at least a bit of the end of an era.

Vito
Vito on October 9, 2006 at 8:56 am

We have written about the stage and screen shows at the Roxy, RCMH as well as the Capital and Paramount. Another one was the Palace, I used to enjoy the movie and 8 vaudeville acts that went on untill the late 50s. REndres, I sure wish I had taken a different direction in my career, and instead of working for Fox I sometimes wish I had worked those stage/screen shows, it must have been a blast. I did work a few palaces that featured live organ between shows but I missed out on the big stage/screen theatres. I remember the stage/screen shows at the Loews and RKO theatres all over NY, perhaps Warren or someone has ads to share from those days.
Yes Archie and Edith…“those were the days”

RobertEndres
RobertEndres on October 9, 2006 at 7:43 am

I grew up in Illinois, and my parents would take me into Chicago with them a couple of times a year. We would frequently go to the Chicago Theatre because of the movie stageshow policy. The last two films I rememer seeing there with a stageshow were “Living It Up” with Martin & Lewis, and “Dragnet” with Jack Webb, who appeared on stage after the first show on opening day. Both were in 1954. They probably continued them for a while after that, but I know they were gone after I graduated from high school in 1957. At one point in the ‘70’s before I came to New York, the Chicago had a couple of ambitious stage hands who kept adding stage lighting in the intermissions. They used the same Hall & Connelly spot/effect lamps we used at Radio City to project patterns fromt the booth that tied in with the film being presented. I was working part time in Plitt Theatres and would use my pass when in Chicago to go to the theatre just to see the intermissions. One of the last Christmases I was out there they flew out the screen at intermission to reveal a Christmas tree with packages under it on stage, while an announcement wished everyone a “Happy Holiday Season”. It was the last time I remember seeing the stage before the theatre was renovated to its current use.

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exit on October 8, 2006 at 3:04 pm

The Glorious El Capitan Theatre in Hollywood is on a small scale the heir apparent to RCMH’s Movie and Show policy… And they have a live organist center stage as the audience comes in… The quality of the stage shows has varied from simple and fun to elaborate and cheesy. Still the potential and the effort is there.

RobertR
RobertR on October 8, 2006 at 7:04 am

The above mentioned “Matter of Time”. I may have asked this before but by the 1960’s was RCMH the only theatre in the country that still had a stage and screen policy?
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